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It is an indisputable fact that when polled, most Israelis openly support genocide.

People justified their anti-Muslim hate after 9/11 with similar statements about polls saying most Muslims saw Bin Laden in a good light, and have anti-West views.

Not saying I agree with any of it, but I find the parallels illuminating. If anyone wonders why there's more anti-semitism now, s/he can perhaps compare it with how all Muslims are condemned as being members of a barbaric sect after any terrorist attack (yes, even attacks where the perpretator doesn't claim to be doing it for Allah).


Hold on, you're doing a little gymnastics here. People are very deliberately talking about Israel being in favour of the genocide, and quite understandably saying that their government should not be supporting Israel - with "not supporting" meaning anything from BDS to simply not handing billions of dollars to them. Some of the most vocal and strident supporters of this are Jewish. The groups attempting to connect the genocide to Judaism are the US, British and Israeli governments & news media - who are all broadly pro-Israel.

Additionally the anti-Muslim hate was not "ah let's very justifiably cut ties with some mad country" it involved widespread and open islamophobia, calls for mass deaths and indeed invasions of muslim-majority countries.

The two situations are not remotely alike


Can you provide these sources?

First google result https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.p...

At least according to this study, almost all Israelis are monsters who openly support genocide.


I wouldn't be surprised if the results of a poll for actual genocide would be the same, but expulsion is not genocide. I really wish people would stop diluting the meaning of genocide at every opportunity.

Forced displacement and ethnic cleansing is a core component of genocide, you're making a distinction without a difference.

Most pro-Palestinians support the expulsion of Jews from that same area.

The surrounding Arab states already ethnically cleansed the indigenous Jews from the majority of the Middle East.

The average American voter primarily uses their vote in an effort to hurt other people who might support a different team.

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If you go outside, you’ll find the vast majority of Americans thought Trump would make an acceptable president. Either they voted for him or didn’t vote against him.

It’s because their definition of “acceptable” mostly involves screwing over the other team.


I go outside daily in red rural America and this is simply not true. People voted, like they always have and always will, on their wallet and expectations on who will make it a little heavier. The exact same will happen as it swings wildly back the other way if gas doesn’t come back to normal.

> vast majority

Trump won by 1.5 margin points, what are you on about?

Give me your address I'll have the grass shipped to you my man.


You are forgetting to count everyone who voted for him by not voting against him.

That's an unfair way of looking at things. Many people don't vote because they don't think they can change anything. Furthermore, the way the U.S. voting system works, if you are in a deep blue or deep red state, your vote will have no effect, since all the states electorates will go towards whoever won the popular vote in that state. So it's really a waste of time unless you live in a swing state.

Why would anyone ever exclude true mitm?

Various domain registrars have been compromised over and over again (often by children!), resulting in companies like Tesla and Cloudflare getting owned.

The reality is that any vaguely competent attacker can compromise a court clerk and just compel e.g. the .com registry to hand over whatever domain they want.

Although I suppose the aforementioned problem has significant implications beyond dns…


>Why would anyone ever exclude true mitm?

Same reason security programs exclude social engineering, even though that's a pretty common way for companies to get pwned.


Excluding SE is to make sure people do not spam customer support and launch annoying phishing campaigns. None of that is applicable for local software running on your own computer.

No, excluding SE is to make sure the bounty program is incentivizing things that inform the product security team. Social engineering is a corpsec function; they're not even the same teams.

Sure, but this is more akin to dismissing a 1click RCE as “social engineering” because an employee has to be convinced to click a link.

Only second to making intellectually dishonest criticisms of perceived behaviours

Fences and speed bumps are hilarious defences if we are supposed to believe AI companies about the dangers of this technology.

Having no safeguards is probably safer than having safeguards which do nothing but create a false sense of security.


Idk, whether we believe them or not, I believe the life scientists who are calling for regulation around the labs that produce DNA sequences. If they’re concerned, regardless of whether I trust the AI labs, speed bumps could help by giving those scientists a reasonably window in which to be notified and act.

> Why aren't corporations doing more to help workers with childcare? Why aren't they doing more profit sharing with workers?

The AI companies sure are a brilliant example of corporations needing to do more to help their employees pay for childcare.


It's more useful to everyone when you engage with the strongest part of someone's argument

Swiss can never be like the UK or Turkey if it reneges on the deal it has now. The other two have leverage, Swiss do not.

It’s up to the Swiss to decide regardless, if population limit is more important than being integrated into Europe they can do that. What they can’t do is to have equal access to the single market like the other EU countries without the obligation that other countries have.

It’s up to the Swiss to decide as much as it was up to the Melians.

Huh? At least in Germany, Spain and France all of the smaller shops fill in fake info without even asking.

EU countries have had these requirements for years and years and never moved to actually enforce them.


Is it that trivial in Germany? I live in Berlin, and the rumor that I heard years ago is that some kiosks in areas known for drug dealing sell pre-activated SIM cards. I never bothered to check.

I wasn't taking blatant fraud into account. I'm sure that's possible everywhere. I'd bet you can buy cigarettes without the tax stamps in the same shop too.

Last I traveled the shop required a passport or uploading one to get an eSIM ahead of time.


Sure, but if you’re a tourist in e.g. Barcelona trying to get a prepaid SIM, odds are the shopkeeper will not ask you for your ID despite being required to.

> Last I traveled the shop required a passport or uploading one to get an eSIM ahead of time.

Sounds like you went to a carrier boutique and not one of the million independent shops.


Not a good example. In Spain they notoriously demand id/passport and make photo or copy of it, they do it "for the police".

That’s the legal requirement yes, I’ve never seen a shop insist on it. Most of them have autofill scripts for the KYC forms.

Isn't the main topic of discussion here a legal requirement?

If everyone ignores it then what's the fuss about?


I’m just pointing out that in Europe the equivalent legal requirement is widely ignored, the same won’t necessarily repeat in the US, but it might.

I would think most tourists would trust a carrier-branded store over Honest Jochen's Tobacco Emporium where you may or may not get a working SIM after paying cash.

Trust? Sure. They’re still more likely to buy their prepaid SIM from the shop that also sells bongs, they are on every corner after all.

> Edit: unless you're Swiss, your opinion is irrelevant

Great contribution, why don’t you go on a Swiss forum then?


Like the TSLA bubble has burst?

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