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The only reason I can see is because Amazon wanted something like this to happen. But I'm not sure what Amazon would gain from that, since they don't have their own competing frontier models.

Of course, Amazon wanted this to happen.

They own 20% of Anthropic.

Anthropic bleeds cash. They have to raise capital.

There are only 2 ways: an IPO or follow-ons from existing investors.

If the IPO gets delayed because of these restrictions, Anthropic will be forced to raise more capital from existing investors.

And existing investors (Amazon) will end up owning more of Anthropic at a cheaper valuation.


There's a much simpler explanation: Amazon's business is selling cloud services. Amazon is constantly under threat of attack and anything that disturbs the balance between attackers and defenders is bad for Amazon. Amazon also needs to keep their AWS customers safe.

This is Amazon prioritizing their 100% stake in AWS over their 20% stake in Anthropic. It's also possible that Amazon knows things that are not public.

The fact that Amazon is willing to report this despite owning shares in Anthropic and being close to a liquidation event points to whatever they found being actually serious.


Why would they have launched Fable on Bedrock if they knew they were going to be shutting it down a day later?

I'm just stating facts:

- Amazon's CEO knew what he was doing and the possible consequences

- Anthropic must raise cash, and there are only 2 ways: an IPO or follow-ons

- If the IPO is blocked, existing investors will be able to increase their stake on Anthropic at a very attractive lower valuation

- Amazon has 20% of Anthropic: so, they benefit from it


"Amazon's CEO knew what he was doing" is not a fact. That's speculation.

When it comes to highly technical, fast moving developments like frontier AI and blue team / red team perspectives, I could see any CEO getting out over their skis. Now mix in some incompetent Trump admin officials, including apparently Howard Lutnick. I am guessing many of these people don't understand the subject matter very well at all.


They would have no internally/externally defensible justification to stop the launch as they are partners/part-owners of Anthropic. They would have to let the rank-and-file keep moving on the Fable launch.

My guess is that they liked the status quo with Project Glasswing and didn't want Fable to be public, especially if anyone is jailbreaking it into Mythos and using it for cyber

But then it backfired spectacularly and now it seems they can't use Mythos currently


This is either a complete own goal by Amazon… a play to consolidate compute/model access.

Will Chinese models be allowed on the market… at all? Will startups be banned from training models of equivalent capacity?


At this point would I be outsourcing my knowledge work or would I be entering self-exile?

...Not to mention that they're investors in Anthropic.

Did it cross your mind that Amazon cares about the security of the United States and reported the jailbreak to protect it?

If you get downgraded to a cheaper model, do you still have to pay the rate for Fable?

AWS has over 200 services, so that's a little over $2 per service. Yeah, a lot of it is built on OSS, but there is a ton of it, and there is also a lot of work involved in building the APIs and web UI, and making it scalable , secure, and resilient.

Now, you might be able to make a version of some small subset of aws services that runs works ok for a small scale for with relatively simple needs, for that many tokens, but I don't think that's what they were going for.


IAM for example is in house and integrates with every service. Sometimes in deep ways.

I’m on your side in that I would never take a contract to actually do this, but…

If we swapped out the IAM backend for something extremely simple like just private keys (one per allowed service or JWT-style list all services in the key), then we could have something that looks/feels pretty similar. With a 2$ token spend.

Not at all the same but it would look/feel pretty close.


> you might be able to make a version of some small subset of aws services that runs works ok

lol, you’ve got that goblet of koolaid with me! Equal parts horrifying and interesting that it might not be impossible


For one thing, the financial barrier may not necessarily stay that high forever.

For another, such regulations could prevent a competitor from making the weights open for their model to try and disrupt the competition.

And finally, Amodei would no doubt want to be involved in designing the tests the AI needs to pass, and could (and likely would) design it in a way that Anthropic models would be able to pass easier than competing models.


> You are not a person or entity that is: (a) located in, organized under the laws of, or ordinarily resident in any country or territory that is the target of comprehensive U.S. sanctions

Seems to be pretty clear that it would include non-government entities in sanctioned countries.


IANAL, but it seems like the argument from Wickard v Filburn would apply to LE. They may not be taking money but they do impact the commerce of the market for certificates.

I disagree with that ruling, and I have some serious problems with sanctions against entire countries/regions, but it definitely makes sense that LE would interpret it as being impacted by OFAC.


It isn't just the US. China, Russia, the EU, and Australia and probably others are all increasingly trying to create virtual walls of various forms in the internet.

It is in the nature of nation states to assert control over national borders. That the Internet and the globalised flow of information it enables circumvents this is a historical anomaly.

Or maybe your audience is developers who might want to contribute to the project, and would prefer to work in some languages more than others.

If your primary audience is people who want to contribute to it, then the fun of hacking on it is more impactful than the benefit of the offering itself. That's not bad at all! But it also does not suggest that the offering itself is particularly impactful.

Not necessarily. It isn't at all unusual to use something because it is useful and also want to be able to make improvements to it.

I suspect the fact that Github and Gitlab use ruby backends is a significant (although by no means the only) factor in the slowness of Github and Gitlab. So yes, being written in a language that is better suited for high performance at scale is, potentially, an advantage. Although if it is vibe coded, there's a decent chance there are architectural problems that offset the advantage gained from the choice in language.

GitHub used to be great when the frontend too was in ruby, the react rework might've got somebody promoted but performance was never the same.

GitHub is so data heavy and there's so little reactivity that it should really be server side rendered.


The frontend was Ruby?? Are you sure?

Not literally. And I would hardly say it was a matter of language superiority. I love Ruby myself. But Github was a lot simpler when it was still just a Rails app.

But Rails was SSR by default, and most of the frontend was just Embedded Ruby (ERB) template files all over the place. And way back when, it was even relatively common to use Javascript supersets like CoffeeScript[1] and Opal[2]. The latter being Ruby that compiled to JS.

[1]: https://coffeescript.org/ [2]: https://opalrb.com/


Yes, standard rails. Rails does not ship with components out of the box and the most prominent component system for rails was built and is maintained by GitHub. They have been moving to React for the last few years though, it seems to be more about hiring and ergonomics rather than capability.

As in rendered server-side.

Reports of Ruby slowness are often exaggerated. Around the time GH was built that was certainly true, but in the ways that matter Ruby is more than fast enough nowadays, even at scale. (Shopify is a rails monolith, as is intercom and a bunch of other massive services) Compute is/was pretty cheap and the economics of ROR mean that it's ultimately not that expensive to run. I think GH's slowness is a mixture of mismanagement and issues on the frontend.

But for sure a systems language is going to be far faster on paper and Rails is far from perfect and does have some performance foot guns you need to avoid. And yeah, architecture is everything.


> if it is in the best interest of the city

I think a lot of people, including many of the citizens of this city would say this is not in the best interest of the city.


the point is that argument can be made regardless of deed restrictions. the city generally does things it believes to be in the best interest of the city, so making a deed restriction with it is borderline meaningless with respect to authority. it is purely symbolic, but you would hope that people representing the city see the deal for what it is and respect it unless it's absolutely necessary to override it.. rather than treating the original owner like a sucker and putting up a data center

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